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Despite exchanges of fire in the Persian Gulf, the ceasefire between the United States and Iran remains intact, according to panelists on a recent financial program, even as President Donald Trump characterized the U.S. strikes as a mere “love tap.”
Following the latest military episode, one spokesperson downplayed the severity of the confrontation, stating: “They trifled with us today. We blew ’em away. I call that trifled.” When asked whether the ceasefire with Iran was still on, the same official replied affirmatively: “Yeah, it is.” The spokesperson added, “I’ll let you know when there’s no cease – you won’t have to know. You’re just going to look at one big glow coming out of Iran.”
President Trump has since been waiting for a response from Tehran on his latest peace proposal. An update on the status of negotiations indicated that a reply was expected soon: “We should know something today. We’re expecting a response from him. We’ll see what the response entails. The hope is it’s something that can put us into a serious process of negotiation.”
On the economic front, new data showed the U.S. added 415,000 jobs in April, beating expectations, while the Dow traded lower and oil remained under $100 a barrel. Spokesperson Gary Kaltbaum assessed the economy as “good,” though not “sizzling” or of “monstrous strength.” He noted, “I want to see a quarter million jobs every month. Unemployment rate is just fine. So I think we’re in shape.”
However, Kaltbaum warned that certain areas of the market are “just 1999-ish now,” describing AI and semiconductors as “rocket ships.” Regarding the Iran situation, he expressed frustration: “We’re hearing things changing on a daily basis… I can’t wait ’til it’s over. Let’s get this thing over and done and move on. We’ve got big fish to fry going forward and a big midterm election year.”
Another spokesperson, Taylor, highlighted that since the Trump administration took office in 2025, manufacturing jobs have actually turned negative, while construction is up. The administration’s argument, Taylor noted, is that construction jobs will eventually lead to more manufacturing jobs.
“Some of what I hear on social media is construction for the data centers is great, but then, like, who runs the data center after that? If they only employ a couple people,” Taylor said. “It is a construction boom that can go on for a while because we have, for now, insatiable demand for data centers. But I think a lot of people are questioning: but then what?”
On a positive note, Taylor pointed to two consecutive months of nonfarm payroll increases for the first time in a year, with the three-month average near 50,000. “That’s a solid performance if you think we have a declining labor force – removing illegal immigrants and, of course, the impact of the Iran war and the energy shock. That’s not so bad.”
The average workweek inched back up to 34.3 hours, above the 2025 average, though real disposable income is “starting to turn negative.”
A stark warning came from another spokesperson, Dagen, who focused on the nation’s deteriorating fiscal position. “The problem for the nation is on the other side of this we’re still a country that is spending more than 2trillioninborrowedmoney,inexcessofwhatwecanafford,”shesaid,estimatingtheannualizeddeficitatover2.2 trillion based on the first six months of the fiscal year.
She noted the U.S. now pays $103 billion a month in interest on the debt. “With that kind of money we would do… why isn’t the economy hotter now?” she asked. “Without the AI data center spend… and without the deficit spending, where would we be? We need high growth to grow our way out of the debt, but how do we do that when we have only so-so growth and we’re spending this kind of money?”
Dagen also pointed to a shift in 5-year break-even inflation rates, which hit 2.72% – the highest since the inflation scare of the Biden era in 2022. “That puts the federal government in a real pickle,” she said. “The Federal Reserve potentially won’t be able to lower rates in a raising inflationary environment.”
In an extreme scenario, she noted that DoubleLine’s Jeff Gundlach has repositioned some of his funds for the possibility that the U.S. government might have to restructure its debt in response to a possible recession. “It’s a nightmare scenario,” she said, “but the fact that one of the greatest fixed income managers is talking about it ought to bother us, for sure.”
Asked whether artificial intelligence-driven productivity could help address the debt and deficit, one panelist, Jackie, expressed caution. “If the scenario doesn’t play out exactly the way we’re hoping it does… you could run into some trouble with this,” she said. “I think productivity will be seen in businesses, but our government isn’t productive. When it comes to spending and all the crazy things that we’re doing in Washington and our debt and deficits, that’s a separate conversation. I’m not really sure how much AI will help with that.”
Kaltbaum added historical perspective: “Our whole federal spending in the year 2000 was $1.8 trillion. We’ve been saying this for 40 years… It’s very easy to kick the can down the road when you have easy money and you print money. The problem is when it does hit the fan, either they’re going to be gone or retired, the ones that caused this.”
He expressed disappointment, saying, “I was hopeful [this president] was going to do something about it. And instead we’re talking about another half trillion bucks for defense.” Dagen noted that debt held by the public has returned to 100% of GDP, a level not seen since World War II. “Now is a pivotal moment,” she said. “People have been talking about borrowing really concentrated in the last 20 years. But now is the time to really cut when you can, when you have AI and the beginnings of a productivity boom – and we’re not at all. We’re going the wrong way.”